The Kind of Girl Who … tells you to shove it

by That Kind of Girl on November 23, 2009

NTKOG #65: The kind of girl who, when she has been mistreated by someone in a position of authority, instead of just taking it with a smile, gives the jerkwad whatfor instead.

I am: laid-back, would be a nice way of putting it. A doormat, though, might be more accurate.

I am not: good with: confrontation, authority, or recognizing when people have definitely stepped over a line with me.

The Scene: Job interview in Brookline last week, for a secretarial position at a firm that deals in a field completely outside my range of interests. The interview has been set up by a temp agency, though, so I put on my power suit, brush up on my interview questions, and walk in fifteen minutes early with resume in hand and a big ol’ smile on my face.

Half an hour later, the guy who’s supposed to interview me finally moseys into the office and immediately I can tell he is — well, “a sleazy fucking jerkwad” is really too delicate a phrase, I think. He’s in his mid-50s; very GQ; too much cologne.When he takes my hand, there is no pretense of a shake. Instead, he squeezes hard enough to pulp the bones down to marrow, then takes a seat across from me.

“So, you’re from Prestigious West Coast University, eh?” he says, and I smile and nod. “And you’re looking for a secretarial position. Ha!” He looks like a guy who has too often and too wistfully watched Mad Men, wishing for the good old days when he could have conducted this interview while sipping from a tumbler full of Scotch.

While we are talking, he leans back in his leather exec chair and crosses his arms behind his head. One of his legs is crossed, his foot resting against the table. He looks like he’s waiting for a girl to crawl under the table and just start blowing him right there.

Did I mention he’s a huge fucking asshole?

The whole interview, he lets me say approximately twenty words. The rest of the time he goes on about how important he is and what high-level work he does. He mentions, charitably, that “the girls” are necessary to help run the office. He asks whether I feel up to the challenge of cleaning up the office at the end of the day.

The whole time, also, he keeps throwing out acidic little barbs about the university I went to, and the fact that I left there without a job, then smugging that he bets I don’t like it when he makes these little jokes. Uh, no shit? The school I went to was, like, pretty okay, and not infrequently, insecure people like to play a nasty little head game about it: they’ll make constant negative comments about various stereotypes about the school — not least of all the stereotype that grads are arrogant — then when I finally tell them to, dude, seriously, stop it, they smile back: “See what I mean? You guys are so arrogant.” I — I cannot tell you how much this infuriates me. I love the school I went to; I had four wonderful years there, met all my best friends there, and generally have positive feelings about it. And I’d expect everybody to feel the same way about their own undergraduate institutions, so why are we even talking about this?

And yet, he talked about it. For at least ten minutes of the forty-minute interview. After he’d finished his monologue of Important Manly Poweritude, he asked me: “So, you have any questions for me, honey?” Um, yeah, just one. How does the fine Commonwealth of Massachusetts feel about vigilante castration?

Sadly, though, although I prepared a totally appropriate feminist rant — or at least a withering barb — the asshole hurried me out of the interview room before I could find my voice. So. Fail on that front. But. BUT! I did call the temp agency and withdraw myself from the interview process, citing, in only slightly more polite language, irreconcilably assholic behavior as the reason for my request.

The Verdict: I’m pretty bummed out that my knee-jerk authority cowering was too strong for me to overcome right to this jerkwad’s (jerk)face, but I’m going to go ahead and give myself partial points for actually withdrawing from the interview process instead of continuing to jump through his asshole hoops. The more of the (sometimes terrible) real world I see, the more I realize that there are lots of guys like this out there, who feel the constant urge to make it known: “Hey, little lady, fuck your fancy education and your power suit and all your big clever ideas. At the end of the day, this is still a man’s world and, heads up, I take my coffee with two sugars, sugar.”

Aaaaaaargh. Even thinking about this makes me hate men. So even though I wimped out this time, next time I meet a guy who is Part Of The Problem, dude, he best be prepared for an unholy rant.

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chiefy November 23, 2009 at 10:12 am

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH

So many mean swear words are coming to mind. I hate that shit so so so so so much!!!

I’m the same way, unfortunately. I kick myself later with all the “should have saids”, but at the time I’m so afraid to do anything confrontational.

Gah!

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Zstep November 23, 2009 at 10:23 am

Could my joke about the arrogance of Prestegious West Coast University students/grads last week have come with any better timing???? Oi vey, sorry again. No doubt you picture me looking like asshole interviewer guy.

Being a 10+ year corporate drone, I have been through the interview process many a time. What has always bemused me is that interviewers almost always suck at the interview process. HR types are usually ok at it but once you get to the manager you’d be working for, it’s an absolute train wreck. And you are correct to ditch that opportunity because I have found that the dudes who love to talk about themselves are the absolute WORST to work for.

That said, imagine the NTKOG extravaganza if you did work for him? Hmmmmm….

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Miss Over Thinker November 23, 2009 at 12:18 pm

Good for you, for taking your name out of the interview process..What a fucking asshole.. God, I hate men..

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Ken O November 23, 2009 at 12:40 pm

Maybe it’s just me, but I see 2 unrelated issues here:-

1) The interviewer was an @sshole. This happens, but IME it can happen equally with either sex.
2) The interviewer was male. This is also likely to happen (maybe more so than being an @sshole in the total population). I don’t see blaming being a @sshole on being male as anything other than female sexism though.

Kudos for withdrawing your candidacy though, particularly since you told the agency why you were withdrawing your candidacy.

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That Kind of Girl November 23, 2009 at 12:45 pm

Then I didn’t do a good job describing the situation — fair enough, as I’m still pretty friggin’ upset about it. He was one of those guys who was constantly with the insulting and totally inappropriate little epithets (sweetie, honey, dear, etc.), and acted completely unconvinced that I was capable of doing things like data entry and cleaning the office. Just totally inappropriate.

He also kept referring to the secretarial pool as “the girls,” which, I mean, just … no. There were a couple of other little things too. I mean, trust me, there was sexism there.

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Ken O November 24, 2009 at 5:49 am

Ok canny lass (one of many terms of friendship I’d use to a pal, but not to a current or prospective work colleague unless we were friends as well). Point taken.

It didn’t come over that way to me the first time, but with the expansion it does. I wasn’t defending him though; just saying that his behaviours as originally described made him an @sshole but not necessarily sexist as well.

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Bri November 23, 2009 at 1:27 pm

I’m a talker…I actually think confrontation is a good thing…Most times…when the person is calm and remotely intelligent. I, blindly, think that talking can solve all ills. Yea.

I once had an email conversation with a girl who honestly says “OMG”, uses exclaimation marks liberally and is in constant hissy fit mode. In real life. Needless to say I felt like I had an aneurysm at the end. She lost MANY MANY MANY smart people points. It was amusing though. After my headache went away.

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carissajade November 23, 2009 at 3:53 pm

Ughhh! That whole situation sounds just miserable.. as if Interviews aren’t bad enough with non-douchbags.

I would say that I woulda walked out with the first “sweetie” or snide remark… but I woulda probably done the exact same thing that you did…

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Sister November 23, 2009 at 7:37 pm

Hmmm, well, we both know that I have a talent for making grown men and women cry… Clearly, I wouldn’t have left the room without throwing in my two cents. Frankly, in that situation, you didn’t have a freaking thing to lose, so I would have told him exactly what I thought of his manners, his degree from UC Santa Cruz, and his son’s degree from Cal Poly Pomona.

I’m not putting either of those schools down, but his comment, “well, my son went to Pomona…oh, and he *has* a job” would have triggered my collegiate pride and ego. Oh, and p.s., Santa Cruz is the setting for a cult vampire movie, not a place with an actual university. Thanks for playing, schmuck!

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Mom November 23, 2009 at 7:51 pm

You go girl. We raised you well.

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Francie November 23, 2009 at 9:47 pm

I hate that everyone assumes that just because we’re from PWCU, somehow menial labor is “below” us. I don’t think they really know how hard the job market is nowadays. It’s not exactly like we’re getting offers for incredibly high-paying jobs the second we graduate. (Can it, The Ex!) It just seems as if even the most low-paying jobs don’t trust you w/o experience–cashiering, waitressing, receptionist, nannying, you name it. They all require “formal, paid, full-time _________ experience.”

I just applied to a nannying job that pays a reasonable amount (not like most of them, who prey on the illegal immigrants and expect you to jump for joy to get a $9/hr job caring for 3 kids under 6, one not yet potty-trained) and she wrote back that she was “hesitant to employ a PWCU-educated nanny, because I doubt that you would be interested in scrubbing toilets, mopping floors, cleaning my bunny’s cage, and doing the laundry.” Lady, if you give me a reasonably OK paying full-time job, I will do whatever you want–hand-wash your unmentionables, mulch the lawn, whistle the “Gilligan’s Island” theme song backwards, whatever. Is it OK, though, that I don’t have any formal paid, full-time “mopping experience”?

(Sorry, had to rant.)

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That Kind of Girl November 23, 2009 at 11:39 pm

oh, dude. Amen. A-friggin’-men. I’ve applied to over 150 jobs out here. Over 150! It’s not just that the economy’s bad — it’s that everyone looks at where I went to school and decides that I’m a flight risk and I’ll think I’m too good for the job and take off immediately.

Not true, guys! I’m just a dude who wants a relaxing job, so I can go home at night and keep working on my friggin’ side projects before I go to grad school! I need to pay my damn rent! Help a girl out!

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Ken O November 24, 2009 at 6:02 am

As someone who did the exact same thing with similar experiences (I think) during the late 1980s/early 90s, I totally agree. “Over-qualified” (read bores easily) does sometimes apply, like one mate who lasted a whole day in a job where he was putting 5, never 4 and never 6, slices of salami on chilled pizzas, but I see no specific reason why it should apply to, say, secretarial work, as long as the employer tries to build in a bit of variety rather than having you copy-typing or transcribing dictaphone recordings 8 hours a day.

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Muscles November 23, 2009 at 10:40 pm

As has been mentioned in NTKOG before, and possibly elsewhere: rape takes away a woman’s voice (I think you were talking about wanting to scream about something). This whole experience sounds like interview-rape.

However, I don’t get it: guy, girl, mutant space monkey is being a jerk, don’t take that shit. You know I wouldn’t have ;) But of course, if it had been me he wouldn’t have been a jerk, since I too, have a penis… Sexism.

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That Kind of Girl November 23, 2009 at 11:41 pm

Muscles, you are the best. Coincidentally, not two hours ago, Justice and I were talking about rape (in the context of her Con Law class), and we were talking about how one of the things rape does is take away a woman’s voice. I mean, that’s basically the essence of sexism: men systematically stealing away our voices because they stand to gain from our lack of power. Men suck.

Also, dude, I can’t even imagine how thoroughly you would not have taken that dude’s crap, were you me. Next time I’m in a similarly horrible situation, I’ll have to remember to think: WWMD?

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Justice November 23, 2009 at 11:49 pm

It was in the context of my Crim Law class, duh.

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That Kind of Girl November 24, 2009 at 12:31 am

You’re right, by gum! Way to turn me into an UNRELIABLE NARRATOR, dude.

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Ken O November 24, 2009 at 6:25 am

Whereas I was happy to agree that he was being an incompetent (as an interviewer) jerk. I wasn’t so convinced about the sexism, but then I don’t think that treating someone of a different physiological group (sex, ethnic classification, age…) to yourself poorly is always an “ism”. (read in context of all comments, not just this one)

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Kelly L January 23, 2010 at 11:40 pm

Oh my God, this is making my skin crawl just reading it. I’m really, really impressed that you managed to stay poised and get through the interview. I attempt to be as professional as possible, but, LINES were CROSSED up in there. I… just… wow. STAB STAB STAB.

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